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Friday, June 06, 2008

What attitude should a country take?

HK has recently been in the throes of a debate about the nationality of its recently appointed under-secretaries. These people, in the true spirit of self preservation and survival of the fittest, most capable and able, did, as any others in the history of mankind, and made alternative arrangements when their alma terra was due to be handed back to it's terra mata. They left and got themselves British, Canadian, Australian or USA passports. Since, in the run up to the handover, who was to know what would happen? Certainly no-one expected the phoenix like rise of China, and the recent decline of the West. It's called hedging one's bets.

I have a more mundane problem. I am the proud owner of 3 driving licenses and no car. When on holiday we will have to rent a car. But, by some cruel twist of fate, all 3 driving licenses are due to expire in the next few months. So I enquired at the South African consulate. They don't renew drivers licenses. Has to be done in the country, personally. The Dutch consulate. They also don't renew licenses. Has to be done in the Netherlands. Fortunately not personally. The paperwork is IMMENSE and time consuming and onerous and involves trips to the consulate for proof of existence and residence. My HK driving license is dependent on the existence of one of the other 2 licenses, so can't be renewed without a valid other license. What is a girl to do? Well, shut up, pay up and bow at the temple of the consulate I guess.

But that begs the further question. It's all very fine and well for us global nomads to be wandering around the world at lib and at will, picking of the finest each has to offer and whinging like mad when things don't suit our sensibilities. But what is a country to do? Even while I'm outraged that I can't renew my SA license from afar, I also secretly applaud the powers that be for giving me the finger that says, well, if you're not here, why should we give you a license, go and get it from where the grass is greener. I have to wonder just what are or should be the mutual rights and obligations between a country, its citizenry, its expatriates and its citizens which straddle it and another 'comfort zone' / 'good' passport nation?

I do however believe that doors should mutually be left open. There is a sound logical and economic rationale for being really nice to your citizens. It's the prodigal son thing. Something I am now slowly beginning to understand. In emotional terms, we, your citizens are your people, your offspring, the fruit of your loins. In economic terms - treat us well, you never know when you may need us. In your age and infirmity you may need champions and someone to pay your medical bills.

8 comments:

Winifred said...

I would recommend that you get a Hong Kong drivers license while your other ones are still valid.

Keep your HK driver's license as long as you're here. You can use it to apply for an International Driver's license if you need to drive somewhere else.

It's pretty simple to get an HK license w/ a valid overseas one:
http://www.td.gov.hk/public_services/licences_and_permits/vehicle_and_driving_licences/how_to_apply_for_a_driving_licence/driving_in_hong_kong_for_overseas_driving_licence_/index.htm

I agree w/ you that it's perfectly reasonable for place to require residency to renew a driver's license. In the USA if you move from (say) Illinois to Massachusetts, you're expected to get new tags (license plates) for your car and get a new driver's license for the state.

smog said...

You've misunderstood somewhere. Your Hong Kong driving licence is not dependant on anything else. It may have been issued directly on the basis of the licence somewhere else, but once issued it's a stand alone licence just like any of the others. You can just renew it normally, details here: http://www.td.gov.hk/public_services/licences_and_permits/vehicle_and_driving_licences/index.htm#FDLRenewal

In fact strictly I believe (certainly for UK licences) if you are not resident there you are supposed to cancel the licence. I believe the international principle is that you have one driving licence and it should be issued by your place of residence.

Nude King said...

I second Smog, gweipo.

Your Hong Kong Driver's License, once issued, is really a stand alone license (unless rules have changed after 1997 and I don't know. But I doubt).

The last time I renewed my Hong Kong Driver's License, they gave me a license that is valid for ten years (You can either have one year or ten year license in Hong Kong, I believe). And that was in 1999, so I doubt the rules have changed. But I am a Permanent Resident (Hong Kong ID) in Hong Kong, don't know about you, and don't know if it's different if you are not a permanent resident (though I doubt there would be a difference).

And actually, the old license (white one) is better than the current (green, I believe) puke colored one.

And yes, you can get an International Driver's License based on your Hong Kong Driver's License. I always keep one valid (and renew repeatedly - no ten-year International Driver's License, sadly).

However, please note that you cannot use your International Driver's License in your own country (as in the country you hold your passport from - in your case, probably South Africa). When there, you need to use a local license (I believe).

I am not sure whether this rule applies to all countries, but accounts from some friends who ended up in accidents in the US (with an International Driver's License) despite being Americans, prompts me to inform you about this strange clause (in some States).

Every other place, the International Driver's License should be valid and all right.

And I believe that it is better to buy third party insurance, and other insurances that provide worldwide coverage (I always do that).

Ciao!

gweipo said...

Thanks everyone. Will get onto the case.

Winifred said...

Nude King,

You can use an international driver's licsense in your home country for visits.

I have not lived in my home country for more than 15 years and could not get a license there w/out proof of full-time residence (which I don't have). So, when I visit, I use a International Diver's license.

Your country may vary.

Nude King said...

Winifred,

I presume you know that I was talking about friends' experiences in (some states of) the US. They too were not living there for a long time...

I don't know about the current rules in the US, but I wouldn't be bothered as I gave up my US passport (tax reasons) long ago and therefore I am not affected.

In any case, even I have not lived there for more than two decades.

I also presume you are not from the US, right? If you are, then what you said would be good news for my wife (and kids) who hold(s) US passports.

Ciao!

gweipo said...

ooh goodie, does that mean that one day far far in the future we can vote for you in the HK parliamentary elections Nude King?

Nude King said...

Gweipo,

I would rather be on the sidelines advising Beijing endorsed CEs like Wonder Boy.

Direct involvement in politics is not my cup of coffee.

Besides, I am too old and will retire soon.

On a completely off-topic issue, I might have offended you by my today's post at Nude King.

If so, please accept my sincere apologies here.

I wasn't promoting cars, but I was trying to say that the school bus helpers in this town need to be more humane. And so also the school principals/head masters and their facilities.

Ciao!